#spn season 15 (derogatory)

[homoangel]

so after 14 seasons of uhm how do you say.. not wearing these stupid ass uniforms

they decided to yk ..wear these stupid ass uniforms

and so i guess my question is just um why?? why did they do that??

[shallowseeker]

🥂 Goodbye, 2024! 🥂

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📖 Stories 📖

This year I finished these!

Jack versus Chuck, over and over and over...

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Sam sucks sometimes, especially when it comes to sticking his nose into the Dean-Cas romantic mystery but he's also brave enough to jump after his brother into a sinkhole, so he has his moments

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The Empty is a great big bag of dicks and can apparently travel through enchanted mirrors for the sole purpose of torturing our heroes

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🎉2025 🎉

✍️ The first half of next year I'll work on these (maybe) ✍️

Chuck wants you to think Cas is his self-insert and Michael is totally gonna be the hero this time he swears it pay no attention to him giving Jack the Mark of Cain

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After leaving Raphael in a ring of fire, Dean gets weird about their near-death experience and decides to offer Cas what Chastity could not: the horizontal tango (NOTE/// omg i never added my beta's edit. I'm sorry you guys I'll do that too probably to ch1)

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🧠 Meta requests 🧠

Organize it, please (any tips?)

Rowena & Lucifer

Rowena as a Michael vessel

John's friendships (Missouri, Pastor Jim, etc.)

The Winchesters SPNwin

Samuel Campbell

Metatron arc compared to Godstiel (*in drafts)

Ruby 1.0

Mrs. Butters as bunker sentry

Naomi (she's complicated!)

John, as forcibly isolated by demons

Dean's suicidality in Moriah

Cas's fraught relationship with Jack's powers / angel nature

Soul bombs and the TFW willingness to sacrifice numerous anonymous souls at numerous times in the series

How Cas would treat John (my views on John-the-suckup are known)

If Andrea Kormos had lived to takeover the (vampiric) family business

Ca's flagrant, quietly diverted anger in season 15 (*in drafts)

The mechanisms of Dean's friendship with Cas

Dog God Dog God, Barking as a warning sign in the SPN soundscape

The kitchen of love

The family diner

The bar of friendship

The meaning of Unhuman Nature

Ketch as MoL John

Rowena's first resurrection spell and why she needed it

Marie and the hypothetical fankids (derogatory, torture)

Miracle as a cruel taunt to the fanbase, "A Shaggy Dog story"

Dean as the impala

Any vehicle meta I can think of

Jack's mimicry of Cas's looks and his mimicry of Dean

Purgatory as "undesirables"

Metaron and his dog

What if post-season 15 Chuck started writing again? what would he write?

"I was in control, she moved" in 14x16

Jack as nothingness

When The Empty told Cas (script) that he died for NOTHING

When angel/demon blads *don't kill humans; but are potent to angels/demons

Jack's parallel to Dean and Cas in being willing to do "the dirty work" and kill Dean in 14x02

Mary's hair

I'm still going through my drafts

EDIT: more penis meta (you guys can't really want that???)

EDIT: Bull meta or antlers meta

EDIT: Finish the Zachariah / The End meta*

EDIT: Dean, Cas, hands, and handprints

EDIT: Coffins and ma'lak boxes as symbols of being unable to let go

Leave a comment if I forgot one, please.

[criesincomicsans]

you’re telling me spn (derogatory) is getting a reboot after 15 seasons of toxic masculinity and homophobic bullshit but my beloved shadow and bone is cancelled after 2 seasons because netflix is angry at people for wanting,,, [checks notes] a lunch break????

[angel-wing-feathers]

15x19 Deleted Scene

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Not leaving this in lowkey destroyed all that character development Dean went through. Here he is, acknowledging his father respectfully as simply another hunter, while Sam still calls him Dad. Like he’s not angry about his abusive upbringing anymore because he knows that it wasn’t his fault and that he deserves more than that. Also the fact that they filmed this and then still put John in a house down the street is a little sus but whatever.

Side note: Just kinda funny how Castiel confesses his undying love for Dean and suddenly Dean goes from calling his father “Dad” to “John”

[ghoulshima]

i can’t believe they were gonna double down on us, with both the fake lucifer call AND jimmy novak. when i tell you i hate andrew d*bb

[virfujiwara]

Legitimately Jack makes all of supernatural worth it🥺🥺🥺 he's just a little boy

[ohpeachiekeen]

we ALREADY HAD a haha funny everything’s goes wrong for our heroes episode we don’t need another one!!! I’M GOING TO KILL MYSELF.

also they grew up hunting. why de power them!!! they’re not normal, you’ve made them worse. not “normal”

[shinelikethunder]

You are awakening thoughts and feelings I thought were 5 years dead and buried with your SPN Posting and I just CANNOT with that fact

*pinches bridge of nose and exhales slowly*

I am…going to go read some fanfic, to cope, I think.

(But for real, I’m super fascinated with your posts and am really enjoying them. SPN was my first big tv fandom as a teen and I came in a little late around season 6—so I only flirted with Wincest in favor of Destiel and then, eventually, got disillusioned with and fell away from the show.

In hindsight, you’re reminding me how deliciously fucked up canon was and just how much raw material it gave fandom to work with—and the original reasons I was drawn to it in the first place.

You’re actually actively kind of helping me work through my bitterness of being alienated from my OG fandom and helping me have fun again? In a time where there’s not a lot of fun to be had? So I really, sincerely, appreciate that! Thank you!)

aww, thanks! i think wandering in years after the fact with rock-bottom expectations, and the entire show available for binge-watching, has made this a VERY different experience than it was for anyone who watched in realtime. like yeah in all the usual ways where recurring themes and arc plots hit different when you're shotgunning entire seasons in less than a week... but also, i can only imagine what it's like to watch SPN when you're, like, psychologically capable of experiencing disappointment with it.

i mean, exasperation sure, judginess about wasted potential absolutely, but i went in a hater and emerged with the world's most grudging case of brainrot and had ample forewarning the entire time that It Only Gets Worse From Here. i'm blogging in BLISSFUL ignorance of what it was like for y'all to get strung along. just sitting here on an already-full toxic landfill, merrily picking out the nasty trash (affectionate, horny) from the nasty trash (derogatory) and tossing it in a bag to take home with me. if witnessing that provides anything of value to the people who took actual non-hyperbolic psychic damage from this 15-year hate crime and all the wank it generated, then i am ALL TOO HAPPY to share, lol. because yeah, there is indeed a whole lotta deliciously fucked-up shit in there, and i feel like i get to dig around in it without paying NEARLY the same mental price as the people who were following it as it aired.

[rowenasimp]

Describing Spn to friends

Seasons 11-15: it feels like some weird wattpad fic (affectionate)

15x20: it feels like some weird wattpad fic (derogatory)

[you-cant-spell-subtext-without]

now that I've accepted that I am forever unclean and that Analyzing the CW’s Hit TV Show Supernatural Specifically Dean Winchester is the regular hell loop that is my brain -

I Have Some Words to Say About Miracle (the dog):

Yes, this motherfucker.

(this episode contains SPOILERS from Season 15 of Supernatural including 15x09, 15x18, 15x19; TRIGGER WARNING - abuse, trauma, self harm, and spn 15x20 analysis).

I know we as a collective were confused (and angered) when instead of getting his One True Love at the end of the series, Dean Winchester got....a dog.  No offense Miracle, because you are cute and fluffy and I’d keep you forever

YES FOREVER YOU ARE SO FLUFFY COME HOME TO ME NOW

but

Dean Winchester does not like dogs.

Some have theorized it’s because he was killed by hellhounds at the end of Season 3, which is enough to give you a little canine PTSD:

Even explaining the following behavior in Yellow Fever:

He was also killed by this dog at one point in Mystery Spot:

It’s canon he has a strong aversion to dogs in the Impala:

(I would like to know more about Don)

There’s also probably lingering/repressed anger around that whole Sam never looked for him while he was in Purgatory situation:

There is, however, ONE prior episode in which Dean doesn’t hate dogs.

In Dog Dean Afternoon, when, as a side effect of a spell, he takes on the characteristics OF a dog.

(don’t let anyone tell you Jensen Ackles doesn’t have range, by the way).

SO MY THEORY ON “WHY MIRACLE” BASED ON THE AFOREMENTIONED IS:

As essentially everything, it all goes back to John Dumpster Fire Winchester, Father of the Year.

If you’re a John Winchester apologist, you should just stop reading now.  Also just don’t.  There is NO REASON TO DEFEND THIS MAN.

We know John was abusive.  Just one example of what  he put Dean through when he was NINE that he STILL remembers.

Also, this:

I could go on, but you get the picture. Why people were so thrilled when he came back for Lebanon keeps me up at night (nothing against the wildly talented Jeffrey Dean Morgan; he is fantastic, but John Winchester is trash). 

Dean’s childhood abuse is part of the reason he is convinced he is unworthy of anyone and anything.  It’s the first thing Cas notices about him.

Sam knows it too.

Even Crowley:

Abuse is generational.  Dean has shown he has potential to continue the cycle.

With Sam:

(not mentioned, lying, controlling Sam’s choices, the angel possession thing)

With Ben when he lives with Lisa:

He snaps at him about taking a gun from the Impala’s trunk at the beginning of Season 6, and then in Live Free or Twihard he physically pushes him against a wall (granted he’s a vampire at the time, but still - not an excuse).

With Jack:

At the outset of their relationship, Dean treats Jack the way John treated Sam.  He initially blames him for Cas’s death just like John blamed Sam for Mary’s (remember when John not only forced Dean to fucking single-parent Sam but later told Dean he may have to kill him seriously I could strangle this man).

Dean is terrified of turning into his father and perpetuating the cycle.  Remember the lyrical genius of Single Man Tear in Fan Fiction?

“But underneath this broken mask It is my father, with all his wrath”

That’s why he pushes away the people who love him the most.  He deeply believes he will inevitably hurt them.

He doesn’t even allow himself to begin a relationship with Jack at first.  The Jack/Dean arc is wildly important in all of this not only for representing Dean’s fear in perpetuating the cycle, but also because Jack/Dean is a narrative mirror for Dean/John.

Remember what Jack was doing before this? (TW: self harm)

Think about that in terms of Jack representing Dean.  Sit with it for a second.   Oof.

I posit to you this is also why Dean becomes so aggressive in using Jack to stop Chuck in Season 15.   Remember Dean consistently refers to the hamster wheel (a literal CYCLE) throughout this season.  This ties directly into Dean’s fear that he can’t control his life; that he is destined to become just like John - abusive and cruel. Team Free Will for Dean has always represented the glimmer of hope that this will not be his ending.

15x05:

The gun is gone, but it turns out Jack can be the weapon that ends God.  Think back to someone else who was fighting a Big Bad in Supernatural, and was so obsessed with finding the weapon to end him that he sacrificed everything, including his family for it.  Dean is acting exactly like John Winchester.  He’s perpetuating the cycle.  And that’s also part of the reason he shoves Cas away - because he believes this is inevitable, this is who he was always going to become.  

That’s why the purgatory prayer is BRILLIANT and important:

Dean is finally talking about his anger; his fear of the cycle. How his first response to stress and conflict is anger, just like John’s. He is acknowledging and accepting that this is in him, and sharing it with Cas.

WOOF ok so back to dogs.  You forgot this post is about dogs right?  So, we all know dogs give us unconditional love.  The best and truest kind.

Abusers also tend to abuse animals.  Dean’s aversion to dogs is a manifestation of the cycle of abuse. He believes if he gets a dog, he will inevitably abuse and torment it, because he believes that is who he is.  So he just acts like he doesn’t like them.

Until this happens:

And the very next episode, we meet Miracle.

Tell me this isn’t a man who has ALWAYS LOVED DOGS.

And BTW he has no issues having Miracle ride in the Impala.  Because that wasn’t ever the real problem to begin with.

Cas’s words of love helped Dean break the cycle.  

Reinforced in the finale (derogatory): 

When Chuck says -

Dean responds with that’s not who I am.  

And that’s the reason for Miracle.  Dean’s Team Free Will ending is breaking the toxic loop, and accepting love without fear that he will destroy it.  It’s acknowledging that while the history of abuse exists, it does not have to control or define him.  He chooses a different path.  He chooses to be defined by love.  

But he was still robbed of actually living his life with the people who got him here.  I will never stop screaming that he deserved better.  If you are fighting against this cycle, please know that you too deserve better.  

Oh and John Winchester 10000000000 percent belongs in hell. 

Which is why the Sexy Silence continues.

BONUS FOR SEROTONIN:

[remythologise]

Hello! I found your blog via you amazingly summarizing all that's going on with the spn drama. Due to my schedules, rl stuff, some of the arcs that didn't vibe with me, my availability to find a place to watch...the rollercoaster I was used to with this fandom was more me binging it in a weekend to going months to over a year without watching it. I still haven't watched the last season(but with a fandom this big it's pretty impossible not be spoiled so I more or less know what happened) BUT oh great one I ask of thee for more information if you have it...other than being busy and whatnot, I'm not really one to keep up with the actors as well. So could you also maybe do a summary of all the stans? I'im seeing terms I haven't seen before. Who is Kelios(sp?)? Hellions?? probably messed it up but like...I guess what are the name of each legion? Who do they have alliance towards? What was their desires? Que paso?!?!?!?

Hi there! 'Some of the arcs that didn't vibe with me' me emotionally quitting Supernatural in Season 7 after they killed Castiel 😂 Anyway I totally get it, I went through the same culture shock mid-last year when I got back into SPN and tried to find where fandom was at! There's really a LOT of lore and content after 15 years though so I'll just do the broad brushstrokes based on my impressions and personal stereotypes PLEASE remember this is oversimplifying groups and individuals to tendencies and I'm very biased! Also important that there are sub-factions within sub-factions - again, I'm simplifying here!

I've also linked to the 'Super-wiki' in terms of some definitions because the Super-wiki has pages for them where the Fandom-wiki does not. Great introduction actually - only in the Supernatural fandom. There are two Supernatural wikis. One, through curation and twitter activity, supports BiBro/Wincest factions and does not support Destiel users. One is more neutral or Destiel-friendly (I don't know that the Fandom wiki has a personality/social media presence per se). You cannot make this up. There is a factional war... within use of fandom wikis.

Destiel faction

People who primarily ship Dean/Cas, love Castiel and (often, although not always) Jack, and the 'found family' of Supernatural as well as the brothers, and like the post s3 seasons too. Hated 15.19 and 15.20 for killing Dean and ignoring the other characters/narrative arc of the show. Nicknamed 'Destihellers' by the Wincest faction as a derogatory term, 'reclaimed' and shortened as 'Hellers', a nickname they use affectionately to describe each other. See more info on nicknames here.

Sometimes also ship ‘Cockles’ (the ship between Misha Collins and Jensen Ackles) although generally speaking they're more respectful of the wives of the actors than J2 shippers, who are notoriously responsible for... a vast series of insane-fan misdemeanours. Historically most were also good at keeping RPF to themselves and not harassing celebrities with it directly, although recently, particularly with younger twitter fans, that has not been the case.

Sub-factions:

The ‘Desticule’ or ‘Destiel tumblr’ - general grouping of Destiel-shipping tumblr users around 20-30 years old, usually LGBT+, most who came back to the show post-15.18 after leaving it for various reasons including getting sick of the queerbaiting. Funniest bitches alive etc. and responsible for the best text posts you’ve ever seen. Can also start stupid discourse and in-group drama when they’re bored.

'POLOL' - People of Lots of Letters, a discord group (of tumblr and twitter users) that ran on the assumption Andrew Dabb was playing a hugely intricate game of 3D chess to do with gnostic symbolism among other things, and would make Destiel canon. Have since had their own factional sub-wars and fallen apart a bit. Some of their meta was and is good and interesting! Some of it was wildly off the mark. Now generally insist that Dabb/the writers were all pushing for Destiel canon and the network is entirely to blame.

Twitter fans (TikTok edition) - younger fans around 18 and younger who (FOR REASONS BEYOND ME) started watching the show around 2018-2020. Definition of 'stans'. Tend to be very loud and aggressive on twitter when Events Happen, which like. I do get, because they've grown up in a completely different media environment and this kind of Dinosaur Politicking around LGBT+ issues is beyond them. Fancam central. Anyway stream #CASTIEL for clear skin!

Twitter fans (AO3 edition) - older fans around 30+ who kept going with the show but either don't have a large tumblr presence or just prefer twitter. A lot of fic writers, GISH-ers, and BNFs in this group. Some of them are very cool and reasonable in their opinions, some of them act like the younger stans. Some of them too accepting of what happened wrt 15.19-20 in my opinion, because, in contrast to the younger twitter stans, they grew up expecting Destiel to NEVER be canon or respected. 'Can't believe we got this far' etc.

Multiship faction

Multishippers or shippers of things not as large as the two main behemoths . Sub-factions based on shipping, e.g. Megstiel and Sastiel. I don't think these groups are very large though, and seem to have very little influence in the Discourse.

Wincest faction

LARGE overlap with the 'BiBro' faction and their opinions, which I'll get to. Ship Sam and Dean romantically. Often pretend to be BiBros on places like twitter and reddit in order for outside groups to take their opinions more seriously. 'Wincesties' etc. are derogatory nicknames given by the Destiel faction.

Sub-factions:

Multiship fans - ship Sam and Dean but respect Castiel/the 'found family'. Politically overlap with the faction of multishippers, I think. I don't have a lot of insight on this group of people honestly, but I know they exist.

Bronlies - the typical BiBro and 'Wincest' shippers most people think of, twitter user 'Kelios' is one of the would-be ringleaders of this faction - typically tend to be older white midwestern women. Historically have been pretty nasty on twitter (leading to Robert Berens, writer who made Destiel canon, occasionally subtweeting Kelios). Also tend to ship 'J2' - and take it very seriously as a legitimate thing that is really real. This is called 'tinhatting'.

BiBro faction

People who think the show should JUST be about the brothers, love Supernatural s1-3 and everything after it should have been just like Supernatural s1-3. Hate Castiel, Jack, and the 'found family'. Largely loved 15.20. Go to literally any comments section on any Supernatural article and You Will Find Them complaining about how the show should just be about the Brothers. Tend to be older, straighter, and more conservative/Republican (and male) fans. (I am aware that the definition of 'BiBro' used to refer to people who just liked the brothers but there's no definitional difference now in the discourse.) The Wincest and BiBro faction are generally much more wealthy than the Destiel faction (they being younger and more diverse/queer/left-leaning in general) and would be the biggest revenue generators at conventions etc.

Sub-factions:

Reddit bros - literally anyone who visits r/supernatural. Well, that's not fair - there are people who post reasonable opinions on there, but it's pretty rare and they get downvoted a lot. Like to talk about 'toxic Destiel fans' 'ruining the show' and how Dean is a straight man who is straight and could never possibly be gay. Might even think the confession was platonic despite all evidence to the contrary. I'm Not Homophobic I Have Gay Friends, But No Gays on MY Show!

Old Guard - group of older fans who overlap strongly with the Wincest faction, but might not necessarily ship Wincest.

GA faction

'General Audience' - These are the group of audience members that aren't 'online' so to speak; most watch the show on TV as a Casual Viewing Experience (are therefore also sometimes referred to as 'casuals'. Mostly their opinions tend towards BiBros, but they have a vast range of baffling views thanks to being Not Online and usually Not caring about Supernatural that much or thinking that deeply about it.

Sub-factions:

People who simply watch Supernatural on TV and then don't think about it very much after that.

I said they weren't 'online' but that's not entirely true; I'd probably classify people on Supernatural Facebook Groups as GA, along with friends of friends who post statuses about how 15.20 was a neat finale that wrapped up the series.

Conclusion

Supernatural is famously the show that appeals to both Republicans and Democrats, literally All Orientations, so there's a WIDE range of factions. However, most warring online boils down to Destiel vs. Wincest/BiBro - the war that started in Season 4 and has simply never ended. In terms of the 'actors' and their stans, in general, Wincest/BiBro fans love Jared, like Jensen, and dislike Misha. Destiel fans love Misha, like Jensen, and dislike Jared. Of course as with everything, there are variations and this is just a generalisation. But that's the summary of it, from my perspective!

This didn't even get into Sam girls, Dean girls and Cas girls. God. Anyway.

Hope that answered your question, anon!

[samscompliment]

8, 10, 14 & 15 for the ask game! (hi it’s seasontwelvedean 😎)

hiiiii nick :•)

8. Have you received anon hate? What about?

somebody DID call me a deangirl (derogatory) for not doing any sam art last year which was very funny. otherwise no <3

10. Most disliked arc? Why?

at a certain point they all blend together. moc feels too easy a target but since it's the lack of consequences that bother me i could say the same for a good handful of arcs. i know they didnt really mean to give sam the "slowly becomes more and more passive until he has basically no agency at all" arc but that would probably be at the top. for obvious reasons like the fact that it upsets me

14. Unpopular opinion about your fandom?

okay i could say this about any fandom because i just dont really like. fandom. i show up on tumblr to talk to my friends and see what the ten spn blogs i follow have posted recently and i cannot and do not care about any fandom drama or whatever. sorry </3

15. Unpopular opinion about the show?

its good? thats not quite true but it does bother me when people overcompensate/justify liking supernatural by continuously saying how bad it is. like you can enjoy the bad show its fine i promise no one's watching fifteen seasons of something they actively hate all aspects of. maybe that's more number 14 idk. um. i also dont like tombstone

[johnfkennedaddy]

I know I’m kicking a wasps nest here but this is absolutely the only valid ranking of spn seasons best to worst and I will take not criticism

1) season 4 (good things do happen dean)

2) season 5 (apocalypse, later)

3) season 3 (Dean, hot girl summer #1)

4) season 1 (so weird that neither of these guys smoke weed)

5) season 2 (so weird that neither of these guys smoke meth)

6) season 11 (I actually love amara, sue me)

7) season 10 (Dean, hot girl summer #3)

8) season 8 (Sam is no longer a remotely sympathetic character, dean hot girl summer #2)

9) season 6 (wow toxic men on both sides of this family, soulless Sam makes r*pe jokes)

10) season 9 (Castiel’s hot girl summer)

11) season 13 (huckleberry....)

12) season 12 ( i actually think this season was a satire making fun of super who lock)

13) season 14 (couldn’t tell you a damn thing that happens in this season)

14) season 15 (Eileen deserved so much better)

15) season 7 (derogatory)

[found--family]

yes, they do. you have, AW. 

this is exactly what #SPNGate and #TheySilencedYou is about: Queer identities being silenced and belittled in a narrative setting is a harmful message to send because it does invalidate real life queer people. 

making queerphobic jokes and heteronormative statements about a character - who has been coded as bisexual for 15 seasons - and his love story with a canonically gay character, laughing at queer people for being upset with SPN/TPTB for choosing queerbaiting over a reciprocated queer love confession to canonise a 12 seasons-long relationship - it's. not. okay. 

people like AW perpetuate this insane idea that derogatory language and queerphobic opinions about fictional characters is totally fine and also (somehow) doesn't make you homophobic/biphobic/etc. because you're not talking about real people??? WRONG. it's still hate speech. you're still a bigot. 

[angel-wing-feathers]

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Honestly hoping it’s just Dean’s uncensored slander on John and Mary’s parenting skills.

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